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hello and welcome back to the show.

This is a bit of a bonus episode, certainly something a little bit different.

And I'll tell you the wise and the what's here in just a second.

But first, just let me lay the groundwork a little bit.

Last year, we had our friend Mark England on the show.

Well, actually, I should say we've had them on the show a whole bunch.

We had them on relatively recently. But specifically a year ago, we had him on the show. And that's what I want to talk to you

about today. First, though, Mark is the co-founder and head coach of a company called Enlifted,

which trains and certifies mindset coaches. And the conversation we had with him a year ago ended up

being one of those episodes that I've

thought about long after. We recorded it. So the central idea was this. The reason we had him on

the show that particular week is he was making the argument that the most common pre-workout

in the fitness industry, the thing that gets more people in the gym than nearly anything else.

It's not a supplement. It's fear. It's specifically the fear of not being good enough.

And Mark introduced a term to us. It's a clinical term, but I've repeated it to myself often,

which is a telephobia, which is the fear of not being good enough. And his point in that conversation was that

when people fuel their workouts are really any part of their lives from that place, from that fear,

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