All right, so here in the studio I have a special guest Ryan Holiday who is the

author of a new book Ryan do you want to introduce yourself in the book you just said that you hate

introducing yourself so I'm going to make you do it yeah so I never know what part of myself to

introduce first so like at parties I say I'm a marketer so that people don't part of my

my myself to introduce first so that people don't ask me what about my books or

anything.

But yeah, so tell us about your new book.

So I wrote a book about Peter Teals's nine-year conspiracy against Gokker called

Conspiracy Peter Teal whole-cogan, Gokker and the anatomy of intrigue.

And it's, I'm the only one that Teal talked,

I'm the only one that's talked to both Teal and Denton,

as far as I know.

And then Holkovin, Charles Harder,

the elusive Mr. A, who was the sort of operative in the conspiracy,

everyone involved.

So it's, I think, the complete story as far as sign out.

So we're going to get to this book, but so you have a long history, you've written seven books, is that right?

Seven-ish, yes. Seven-ish? Yeah. That's like, oh, I think I have like four kids. Well, so I have a journal that has like a fair amount of 20-20-plus

thousand words in it, but do you consider it a book?

Do you not?

I did kind of an e-book special, do you conclude that?

So let's say seven issues.

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