That is Dylan Mortensen, just so, so, so heartbreaking, so heartfelt, really telling us about

the trauma that she's experienced since this event, never mind during the event.

Dr. Debbie.

Yes, so courageous and brave she is to be able to express herself in such a vulnerable manner.

And yet, I think it reminds us all that the trauma is so far reaching.

And we know with victimology, we have those three levels and layers as we refer to

the primary secondary tertiary sadly tragically mattie kaley ethanesana are the primary victims are

decedents but secondary is now what we're seeing with Dylan and Olivia and the parents

and the siblings and how traumatizing it is for them.

And then tertiary would be the rest of us, all of us.

We don't know these families directly, but we do know that our hearts are with them and

we stand for them and beside them in this horrible aftermath. And we just hope and pray that they can

have some type of life that will be meaningful and be able to honor and uphold the values of

their children.

You know, Dr. Debbie, one of the things I, and for anyone on our panel, I think this is

good for the families to do.

I really do. It sort of cleanses them and gives them a feeling

of power against this dirt bag that, you know, took the lives of their loved ones. And it gives

them your feeling of taking the reins back of the ship again, taking the steering wheel of the ship and steering it

again in a powerful way and to confront this animal that took their loved ones' lives. And for that

reason, I think impact statements are a great thing that the courts do and the courts allow. Bill.

Yeah, I think that, Bill, you probably hit the nail right on the head.

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