What's going on, everybody.

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to the real bodybuilding podcast. This is episode

186. And I'm here with Logan Franklin. How are you, man? What's up, man? Do it all right. Thank you.

I'm happy to finally have you on. I've been asking you for like three years.

Yeah, this is my second podcast.

You're a harder get than fucking Jay Cutler, Doreyates.

It's like it's like a, but no, I'm fine, I'm happy that you finally decided to take time.

Why don't, just out of curiosity, I've always always wondered with some people, why do you avoid podcasts or not necessarily like doing them?

Man, I just, I feel like I've been pretty closed off to the industry, I guess.

I don't know.

I've tried to be within it, but not within it in a way.

I don't know.

Just keeping myself, really.

I know some people like doing that.

Is there a reason for that?

Is there a reason you want to like only give yourself?

Yeah, I guess I've had bad experiences with some people over the last 11 years that

I've been competing.

And just over time and And after starting a family and all of that, I just backed away more and more.

I tried to just get away from everybody, I guess.

Do you think, like when you look at somebody like Chris, obviously being um kind of set the standard for

classic do you think now that people are talking about you and in those terms like you know you're

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