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Moral Maze

The morality of sending offenders to prison.

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.5609 Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2024

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Overcrowded, understaffed and in disrepair, Britain’s prisons are in crisis. One of the first acts of the Labour government was to announce that thousands of prisoners would be let out early to make room for the next wave of inmates. The Scottish government has a similar scheme. Press photographs taken at prison gates show chortling convicts cheering the Prime Minister before climbing into luxury cars and heading off to celebrate.

Arguments rage between those who say we send too many offenders to prison (more, as a proportion of the population, than any other country in Europe) and those who say we don’t catch and punish enough criminals, so we need tougher policing and more jails.

Perhaps the prison crisis is a blessing in disguise, because it is stimulating new ideas. Initiatives are already under way that may develop into long-term solutions. Reformers want more sentences of community service, more curfews enforced by electronic tagging, more flexible parole used as a reward for good behaviour. They point out that the nations with most prisoners are also, by and large, the countries with most crime; in Britain, they say, lawbreaking flourishes in the absence of both deterrence and rehabilitation.

Our sentencing tariffs, criminologists insist, are incoherent and morally dubious; we are too hard on some offenders and too soft on others; we should rewrite the guidelines to distinguish more clearly between wicked criminals and hapless inadequates; most offenders need support, guidance and incentives to address their problems, not incarceration.

But that’s not what the voters tend to think, so it’s not what MPs have tended to support. The majority view has always been that prisons should be used to protect the public. What’s more, they should be unpleasant places, to express society’s disapproval of criminality, and sentences should be longer, because there has to be punishment as well as rehabilitation.

Lock ‘em up or let ‘em out?

The panel: Sonia Sodha, Giles Fraser, Inaya Folarin Iman, Matthew Taylor. Witnesses: Ayesha Nayyar, Scarlett Roberts, Peter Bleksley, Dr Hindpal Singh Bhui

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:05.0

Good evening for thousands of criminals. Their early release has been something to celebrate.

0:09.8

One armed kidnapper was picked up in a white Bentley after gleefully thanking Secere Starrmer,

0:15.5

a former director of the Crown Prosecution Service, which put him away, for his premature release.

0:20.8

For the rest of us, the fact how crumbling understaffed prisons are so overcrowded that

0:25.4

five and a half thousand inmates are being let out early is a huge political and moral concern.

0:32.1

Big issues about what prison is for and who should go there.

0:36.1

We bang up proportionally more people than any other major European country, 87,000 and rising.

0:42.6

Not enough, many say. We ought to catch and punish more.

0:46.2

We need tougher policing and more jails.

0:49.5

Others say many prisoners shouldn't be inside, the mentally ill, drug addicts,

0:56.3

women particularly who seldom present a threat to the public. They want more use of other sanctions, community service, tagging, curfews,

1:02.1

restorative justice. Behind that argument is the question, what's the primary purpose of prison?

1:08.6

Is it punishment, society's retribution for wickedness? Is it

1:12.5

deterrence? Is it to protect the rest of us by taking evil-doers out of circulation? Or is it

1:18.8

reform, making them change their ways? Lock them up or let them out? Our moral maze tonight.

1:24.7

The panel, Sonia Soda, columnist on the Observer, the commentator and campaigner Inaya Fularen Iman, Matthew Taylor,

1:31.2

chief executive of the NHS Confederation, and the priest and polemicist, Charles Frazier.

1:37.2

Matthew, Matthew Taylor, you've been something of a critic of the prison system in the past.

1:43.7

Yes, I think our prisons are in general a disgrace.

1:46.4

They fail every test of decency, effectiveness, rehabilitation, we should put fewer people inside

1:51.5

and fundamentally reform the way our prisons operate.

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