When you're a journalist and you're out there, you have to get used to being attacked.

Well there is another journalist out there that even before I was standing up and trying

to be transparent and bring the truth, put it all on the line.

I'm talking about Carrie Gillam, who has been deep in investigations of Monsanto.

She also was courted at one time by the pharmaceutical industry to be a writer for them.

She has the inside perspective. She's got a brand new book called The Monsanto Papers.

And it is my privilege and honor to be joined by her now.

Carrie, you are just such a superhero.

I'm always psyched when you call and say I've got something new to talk about.

I'm just psyched.

You're still doing it because with all the pressure and the attacks that I know that have

come upon you as I've seen come on us.

As you wonder, is everyone got the guts to keep on going but you keep going, you keep

writing, you keep investigating.

So for people, my audience is probably 100 times bigger than the last time we had you

on the high wire.

So really quickly, you know, you actually were one of these journalists that was, you know,

former reached out and talked about like can we get you to write articles to explain

how they wanted articles to be written.

Is that correct?

It wasn't, it didn't come down exactly like that.

But what happened was Monsanto and these other big companies do Pont and Sanjenta.

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