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THE MINING POD: How the BTC ETF Changes Investor Time Horizons

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🗓️ 21 October 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

T. Rowe Price’s Blue Macellari argues that Bitcoin’s ETF has altered its cycles forever. Welcome back to The Mining Pod! Today, we have a two-for-one show with two interviews we recorded at the North American Blockchain Summit. To start, Colin interviews Blue Macellari (Head of Digital Assets at T. Rowe Price) on how institutional adoption is fundamentally changing Bitcoin's market structure, the debasement trade narrative going mainstream, and why fast money hasn't arrived yet this cycle. Then, Will hops on the horn with  Dale Nally (Minister of Red Tape Reduction in Alberta) to discuss Alberta's competitive advantages for Bitcoin mining and a concierge program for large miners. Notes:  • BlackRock's IBIT reached $70B+ AUM, top 20 ETF • ETF holders parking Bitcoin for decades • Basis trade tied to futures market growth • T. Rowe Price sees institutions changing cycles • Alberta cut 35% of red tape, saved $3B • Alberta has 200-year natural gas supply Timestamps: 00:00 Start 04:34 Bitcoin ETFs & 4yr cycle 06:08 Institutional demand & cycle changes 08:18 Retail behavior 10:38 ETH treasury companies 14:04 Debasement trade 16:01 Fed rate cuts 19:51 BTC is risk on or off? 24:41 Cleanspark Ad 25:10 Canada's energy sector 25:46 Who is Dale Nally? 27:09 NatGas generators for AI 29:09 LNG exports 31:33 Exports to the US? 35:14 How is the Alberta energy system unique? 37:41 Capital formation 39:46 Canadian Federal Bitcoin Reserve? 👉CleanSpark, America's Bitcoin Miner! CleanSpark (Nasdaq: CLSK), America's Bitcoin Miner®, is a market-leading Bitcoin miner with a proven track record of success. They own a fully self-operated portfolio of mining facilities across the U.S. powered by globally competitive energy prices. CleanSpark sits at the intersection of Bitcoin, energy, operational excellence and capital stewardship. Optimally monetizing low-cost, high reliability electricity positions them to prosper in an ever-changing world. 👉 FBOX, Cooling for Bitcoin Mining and the AI Data Center Transformation FBOX is the global leader in cooling system manufacturing, with the #1 shipment volume of bitcoin mining containers worldwide. Not only powering for the strongest hashrate, their technology also helps mining infrastructure transform into AI data centers. Backed by the largest production scale on earth, global deployment capability, and a full range of cooling solutions, they are shaping the future of compute. 👉 Luxor, Leaders In Bitcoin Mining and Compute Power! Get game-changing mining results with Luxor Firmware. Boost hashrate, cut energy costs, protect your hardware, and maximize mining profits with LuxOS. Published twice weekly, "The Mining Pod" interviews the best builders and operators in the Bitcoin and Bitcoin mining landscape. Subscribe to get notifications when we publish interviews on Tuesday and a news show on Friday!

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0:00.0

J.P Morgan put out a research note recently, basically arguing that Bitcoin had room to catch up to gold because of the debasement trade. The question that I would ask is, do you believe that the current risk-free rate, which is the Fed Funds rate, will be the risk-free rate in perpetuity? And believe that with 100% conviction. No investors should say, I believe this with 100% conviction in perpetuity. It is akin to saying, I am not 100% certain that dollars will be the global reserve currency forever and for all way. That sounds like a radical thing to say in a very short-term basis. If you were born at any time after World War II, it seems crazy. Exactly. But there have been lots of currencies that have been the global world reserve. Currency, what's called exorbitant privilege is ultimately abused by anyone who's had that exorbitant

0:37.9

privilege of being able to print money. People have concerns about the long end of the curve and the

0:40.6

feasibility to keep inflation in check. So we're figuring some things out and we had a big Bitcoin

0:45.1

miner that broke ground and they encountered some roadblocks. Within a day we had four ministers on the

0:50.2

phone that fixed the problem almost instantly. And it's because this industry has our

0:54.9

attention. So there are hostile jurisdictions that don't want Bitcoin miners in Alberta. That's not us.

1:00.7

Not only do we want you in our province, we're going to roll out the red carpet, and we're going to do

1:03.9

whatever it takes to get shovels in the ground as quick as it can.

1:09.0

Bitcoin cratered last week to lows in the 100,000s, but it has recovered today to 111,000, up about 3% over the last 24 hours, but all of the negative price action has the talking heads clamoring and asking, is the bull market over, especially considering equities and gold rallied last week. Well, we don't

1:29.0

have that answer for you. We do have a two for today, and the first half of it might help serve as a

1:35.2

guidepost for where we are in the current cycle. Welcome back to the mining pod brought to you by

1:39.6

CleanSpark. Today, like I said, we've got two shows kind of spliced together for you that we

1:43.9

recorded at NABs, the North American Blockchain Summit in Dallas a few weeks ago.

1:48.0

For the first half of the show, we have the head of digital assets from T. Row Price,

1:52.6

Blue Machilari, on to talk about where she thinks we are in the current cycle and how

1:57.6

institutional adoption may have changed the market dynamics so much

2:01.2

that the four-year cycle is over.

2:03.7

And for the bookend of today's show, we have Dale Nally, the Minister of Red Tape

2:09.3

Production of Alberta, on to talk about how Alberta fits into the AI revolution.

2:15.2

Stay tuned, Joe.

2:16.2

We enjoyed both of these.

2:16.9

We hope you all do too. Guys, there is a serious problem right now in Bitcoin mining, and we need to talk about it. You need to pay attention to this. Bitcoin miners are identifying as AI companies, and people keep mis-sectoring them. Because they say, well, look, your infrastructure is clearly for Bitcoin mining. What do you want me to do about it?

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