I've been fortunate enough to sit there and hear those conversations on a private plane with MJ, Tiger, Gretzky, Geter.

They are so frickin competitive.

That's the one thing they all have in common.

What would they say, mental disorders, they have?

They'd have to come up with something new.

If Mike's sitting right here and we ask Kobe, what's the definition of success, what would you say their answers would be?

Kobe said, winning is everything.

Talk to Mike, whatever Kobe would say, Mike would have to run up on.

Why don't most people subscribe to wanting to find out what their capacity looks like?

And go at the highest level because it's just too hard.

If it was that easy, everybody would be doing it.

You trained the best at the best in the game of basketball.

You said Kobe worked harder, but Jordan worked smarter.

What are those signs that you said there's a very distinct difference between this guy and that guy?

With Kobe, I saw it very early against Utah when he shot all those airballs.

For most individuals, that would have just totally killed their confidence.

No, he came back and owned what he did.

I'm coming back for more.

Were both guys that trusted easily?

No, they did not trust easily.

I had to work harder than they did.

I tell the story about early down in the MJ days.

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