You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on strategy, defense, and foreign affairs.

My name is Nicholas Danforth.

In February, I sat down with three leading experts on Latin America

to talk about recent developments and broader trends across the region.

First, we have Agustina Sharudi, an associate professor at American University's School of International

Service, and the author of the 2015 book, Democrats and

autocrats.

We also have Adam Isaacson, who runs the Defense Oversight Program at the Washington Office

on Latin America, a human rights advocacy and research organization.

Finally, we're joined by Anya Prusa, currently senior director at the Albright Stonebridge Group's America Practice

and former head of the Brazil Institute at the Wilson Center. Bright Stonebridge Group's America Practice

and former head of the Brazil Institute

at the Wilson Center.

This is the second half of our discussion.

All right, and let's briefly come back, Augustine,

to what you were saying about militarization earlier.

Yeah, and so here I want to point out, of course, again, the Giz of Brazil under the administration

of Bolsonaro, that the amount of people who served in the administration who

belonged to the military was unprecedented right so I don't have the numbers fresh

in mind mine I think of us like 6,000 members of the military entered the government.

Right, so it was insane and so this is the most extreme case but then I also want to point

out to some of the things that were mentioned before which is all the

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