All right. So today on Kindled, I am chatting with Dr. Greg Gifford. Dr. Gifford, thank you so much for being on today.

Thank you for having me. So before we hop into the conversation, I'd love for you to introduce yourself to listeners, tell them who you are and what you do.

Sure. Yeah. Thank you, first of all, for having me. It's good to be here. It sounds like we're from similar backgrounds, except I'm in California, and I have three kids

myself.

I teach here at the Masters University, and then I also get to pastor at a local evangelical

free church in town where I serve as the counseling pastor.

Obviously, we'll talk about the book that I just finished lies my therapist told me,

which has come out about a month ago.

But that really comes from a lot of my biblical counseling training where I've done degrees at different levels in biblical counseling and Christian education and theology.

And my specialty here at the school is biblical counseling.

So that's what I teach.

And that's also what I try to lead our church through is taking God's word and applying it to the problems of people.

Yeah, so that's my life in a nutshell, really.

That's awesome.

I am so glad that you wrote this book, and I got the audio

version because I have four girls, 10 and under, and a nine-month-old, so I'm not really doing a

whole lot of sitting reading. It has to be the Bible, because I don't have that much time. But I

consumed the audiobook within, I think, 48 hours.

I don't know.

It was just, it was crazy.

I just could not get enough of the information that you were sharing.

And it was just so, so helpful.

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