Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop. I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So,

whether you're a grizzled veteran, surprisingly and secretly thankful that coronavirus

has kept you out of a passenger van for the last two months, or else a scrappy upstart,

secretly furious that your only chance to play your debut album is via Twitch.

This is your show, because ultimately, it is what

every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey guys, it is the fourth, count them four Fridays of May so far, 2020.

I thank you for joining us.

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