Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to

talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask

them to go deep, on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life

in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

trying to convince people that a song you wrote in 1989

predicted the COVID pandemic,

or else a scrappy upstart,

trying to write the ballad of social distancing isolation

that will win the hearts of millions and heal the world.

This is your show. Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most. An ironclad excuse

to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the last Friday of May 2020, and I thank you for joining us.

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