The Making of the “Flat Earth” Myth
The Disappearing Spoon: a science history podcast with Sam Kean
Sam Kean
4.0 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 12 May 2026
⏱️ 17 minutes
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No one in Columbus’s time believed the world was flat. So why did so many children learn this bogus “fact” in school? It all goes back to Rip van Winkle...
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| 0:00.0 | Christopher Columbus. |
| 0:02.0 | It's hard to think of any historical figure whose stock has fallen faster in my lifetime. |
| 0:08.0 | Columbus was revered in my youth, an icon. |
| 0:12.0 | Now he is widely regarded as a despicable villain. |
| 0:16.0 | And today, I want to dissect a myth about Columbus that you might have learned in school. |
| 0:20.0 | Not the myth that |
| 0:21.4 | he discovered America. We all know that's baloney. I'm talking about another myth that he crossed |
| 0:27.2 | the Atlantic Ocean to prove that the world was round. I certainly remember learning that in school, |
| 0:33.1 | and I hate to break it to people, but that is complete bunk. Still, the story of how that myth took hold is instructive. |
| 0:40.9 | The tale begins with the ancient Greeks. |
| 0:43.3 | It winds its way through Copernicus, and even includes a cameo by Rip Van Winkle. |
| 0:48.5 | But however fascinating, this story should also embarrass us, because it shows that the |
| 0:53.2 | true fools here were not the |
| 0:55.0 | medieval folks who supposedly believed the world was flat, but us modern folks who were |
| 1:00.0 | dumb enough to think they ever did. |
| 1:08.3 | This is The Disappearing Spoon by Sam Keen, a topsy, tervey, sciencey history podcast, where footnotes become the real story. |
| 1:26.9 | As far back as the 500s BC, the Greek mathematician Pythagoras argued that the world was round. |
| 1:33.9 | And he was not alone. |
| 1:35.5 | Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, Archimedes, they all agreed. |
| 1:40.5 | They based this conclusion on simple observations. |
| 1:43.5 | For instance, if a ship appears over the horizon, |
| 1:46.3 | its mast appears before its hull. That makes sense only on a curved surface. In addition, |
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