This is Visigoth. We're recording this show on February 24, 2005. This is part five of a multi-part series we've entitled The Magicians of Mutability. It features both Phil and Paul Collins. Yes, they are brothers. They together co-authored the ascendancy of the scientific dictatorship. And Paul has written the hidden face of terror, which Philip edited.

And we want to thank you very much, Paul, for coming back to us.

And welcome to the grassy and all.

I'm doing fine, Viz.

In this fifth segment, I'm probably going to be a listener more than anything else.

This is, for the most part, for me, uncharted territory. And though I have the outline which you sent along to me, and I also have my own questions for sure, I'm going to let you run with it more or less. I think I'd also like to go back and touch upon some things we spoke about the last time you were on. But for now, let's say that you can you give us a theme for the

topic you'll be talking about today. Well, we're going to talk about three very important

Venetian characters. The first Giamaria Artes. The second will be Gaspero Contarini, and then

the third will be Paolo Sarpi.

And these three individuals and the contributions that they have made to the conspiratorial

tradition are absolutely vital to look at, because when you're looking at the Venetian

oligarchy, you're looking at the face behind today's elite. And the means, the methods,

the ideology being followed by today's elites, really finds its origins back with these Venetian individuals.

And it's something that's hard for people to grasp because when we think of Venice, we think of charming waterways.

We think of gondolas and the water and whatnot, we just, we get

this charming, scenic kind of picture in our minds, and it's really important for people to

look below this facade and see some of the sinister things that came out of Venice and how it was a conveyor belt

for a lot of the occult ideas that originated in the mystery religions, a conveyor belt

for those ideas into our modern day.

Well, wasn't Venice kind of a cutthroat place to begin with?

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. It was, I mean, not just with the world outside of, I mean, for instance,

they worked with Turkey to bring about like this awful slavery, but with uh... but but not just outside of their own

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