This is Visigoth.

And with us for Part 7 of the multi-part series, Magicians of Mutability, is Paul Collins.

And as you've heard enough times in the series, but we'll do it one more time.

Paul is the author of the Hidden Face of Terrorism, and he co-authored along with his brother, Philip, the book The Ascendency of the Scientific Dictatorship, an examination of epistemic autocracy from the 19th through the 21st century.

And as we said, this is part seven.

And Paul, thanks for coming back to the grassy and old.

Glad to be with you, Viz.

All right.

We're going to center this interview largely around an article that you wrote that now appears

on a Paranoia magazine online.

Is that correct?

That's correct.

Psychology of Abu Ghraib.

Now, one might say, well, what's that got to do with what we're talking about with

scientific dictatorships and elitism and such, but it's got plenty to do with it, doesn't it?

Oh, yes, oh yes. There's a definite overlap in the topics, given the fact that we're dealing with when it comes to Abu Ghraib, the elitist mentality,

and the elitist mentality not only influenced the behavior at Abu Agraib,

but also is basically forming the ideological underpinnings of this emerging scientific dictatorship.

There's a definite overlap.

We're going to take one of the first sub-henings of the article in which you've entitled

It, authoritarian hierarchalization.

You've got to make these things easier for me.

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