We're recording this on February 13, 2005.

With us today is Paul Collins.

He's an author, and he's also contributing to a series that is, including his brother

Philip, in a series titled Magicians of Mutability.

This is Visigoth.

Harry's not with us today.

And we want to tell you that, not that you should get confused, but these two Collins brothers have done some kind of work on what is going on today and its roots back centuries

ago.

And Paul, you are the author of the Hidden Face of Terrorism.

That is correct. And the co-author, with Philip, in the As the author of the Hidden Face of Terrorism. That is correct.

And the co-author, with Philip, in the ascendancy of the scientific dictatorship,

an examination of the epistemic autocracy from the 19th to the 21st century.

Do you guys have a third work coming up at all, or are you planning another book?

Well, we're planning on doing this. We're taking the second book, the Ascendency,

and we're going to write an expanded, revised version that's already in the works,

and basically we're going to move a few things around in the original,

and we're going to expand upon several of the ideas that we expounded in the first edition.

There was just so much more that could have been said about the issue that it's something

that we needed to do, and so that's what we're working on right now.

All right, before we get into the topic for today, which is the Venetian oligarchy,

can you give us a thumbnail of

what one could find in your book, The Hidden Face of Terrorism?

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