This is the grassy knoll on this February 9th, 2005.

We were supposed to have in the first hour John Turner, a former IRS officer who was with the organization known as Save a Patriot Fellowship.

He tried to email me, God bless him, he did the right thing, but unfortunately I was in the office to field him when I called him and talked to him. It was quite obvious that he had no voice.

So very graciously, the guest that we had for our second hour, Philip D. Collins, has stepped

in. And although I'm a little bit unprepared, Philip, to introduce you is a very difficult

thing. I would say to the audience, though, there were a number of articles by Philip out there, along with his brother Paul Collins, that deal with what we're facing today. And it's a very, very entangled web that we're talking about. but I believe the Collins brothers have done probably

what I've seen is the best job thus far to try to tell people, look, this is where we're headed,

and it's based on where we were.

And, Philip, you are the author, along with your brother of the book, The Ascendancy of the Scientific

Dictatorship, an examination of

epistemic autocracy from the 19th to this 21st century. And Philip, welcome to the program.

Thank you so much for having me.

Well, thank you for stepping in like this. I never thought we were going to get our first two hours

this way.

Well, any time, anytime. All right. Thank you.

And if you have to go scramble for material, I understand that.

And, you know, we'll deal with that.

We have to.

Sure.

All right.

Thank you.

I'm going to say that what drew my attention to you was the article that I found through Corbyn's A Closer Look,

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