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Here is a big existential question for every media company today.

Do they fight the AI tech overlords or do they just take their money?

So far, most of them are taking the money.

But a few are fighting.

One of them is Zip Davis.

This is Peter Kafka, the host of channels.

And on this week's episode, I'm talking to Ziff Davis, CEO of Vek Shah, who tells me he's kind of optimistic about the media business and why he's taking on the people behind chat GBT.

That's this week on channels, wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.

Hey, it's Noel here. Today Explained is taking a break today, so Sean can watch women's tennis.

But we have an episode from our friends and my former colleagues at NPR's Planet Money.

It's called Made in America. Okay, so made in America is a good thing, right?

Jobs for American workers, better pay, a higher standard of working conditions than in, say, you know, a foreign sweatshop.

Eek, you guys, it's not quite that simple.

Here's Planet Money's Sarah Gonzalez.

This is Planet Money from NPR.

Money doesn't speak any English.

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