And we're on. Today's guest we've got Sandra Lean. Sandra, you're a criminologist,

and you're here the day you've worked on the Luke Mitchell case for the last 16 years fighting for his freedom.

Yeah.

How are you, Sandra?

Yeah, I'm well, thank you.

Thanks for giving us the time to come out to your house and tell the story.

I got taught about this case.

It was actually last week with a man called Joe Steele who spent 18 years in prison he

cell for a crime he didn't come up with six murders occurred where six members of the

dog family were murdered on a fire.

So it was Joe actually mentioned.

Look, Mitchell.

And if I'm honest, I know look as newspapers as monster, evil, stuff like that what I portrayed. I don't

know anything about the case. I actually dipped into it a wee bit and for the last week and you

sent me some stuff yourself and there is a question mark for my opinion on the case and it was

just to see if you could shed some light on where it all began

for you and why you get involved so much so deeply involved in it yeah um if we can go right

back to the start we'll start off with what's your relationship with the mitchell family at the time

i didn't know them i didn't know jodie's family the victim's's family. I had no connection with them whatsoever.

The reason I got involved in any way,

Jodie was found behind the high school that my eldest daughter attended.

My girls, I have two girls who were around about Jody's age.

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