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Compared with, say, beer or spirits, the NOLO versions of,

wine is much more in its sort of embryonic stage

in terms of what's acceptable for critics, for customers. No Loan Wines are just so much further away from

beers and spirits, equivalents. They're nowhere near as advanced or as sophisticated to me,

in general, as spirits and beers. That's Jane Rackison, writer, broadcaster, and someone who has one of the most trusted palettes in the country.

Jane discovered wine at university in France and has gone on to taste with some of the biggest wine brains around.

These days she lived in Somerset with her family, still judging, still writing, and lately, like so many of us working

in the drinks industry, she's been watching how fast people are trying to drink less and how

slowly alcohol-free wine seems to be keeping up. I know when I was pregnant, I didn't really

reach for any no-low wines. I reached for no-low beer. But then no-low beer, you know,

it's starting from a much lower alcohol point to start, so you're not stripping it out. Alcohol

doesn't just bring booze to the party. The alcohol brings warmth and bitterness and texture

and body together with the fruit flavours, the acidity, the tannins.

That's what makes wine beautiful.

And when you remove alcohol, even if you do it the most gentle way possible, you're still going to lose some of those elements that make it gorgeous.

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