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Yeah, and then let's talk about April Raymond.

Oh, I love this one.

I love her.

I love April Raymond.

She clapped back at Archibald too and I loved it.

So she goes on to talk about how she met Lori at church in Hawaii and they became close friends.

Lori was so sweet and welcoming and nice and then eventually they would vacation together, Charles would come, everybody would come. And then Lori

Lori told her that she was divorcing Charles because he was a demon named Ned Schneider and that he had J.J.

That's why she didn't bring J on that trip to Hawaii. It was just her entirely because she was quote done with JJ.

That's sad. All right, so Robin I come to you and tell you I am divorcing my wife because she is now goobyty goob and I you know I just hate everybody that's tied to her and I'm done.

How the fuck can you react to it? Right I'd be like okay. And honestly though by saying

And let's just say that you guys had a special needs child together, right?

That needed around the clock care almost.

And that was like, say, like her son from her side of the family.

And you were like, yep, I'm getting a divorce,

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