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The Atlas Obscura Podcast

The Living Libraries of West Africa

The Atlas Obscura Podcast

SiriusXM Podcasts & Atlas Obscura

Places & Travel, Society & Culture

4.61.8K Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Journalist Eliot Stein explores the tradition of the djeli – African storytellers who memorize and pass down oral histories – tracing it all the way back to the Mali Empire. Along the way, he tracked down a modern djeli, who is upholding and remixing the tradition. And he found him in an unexpected place: working in a convenience store.

Transcript

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0:00.0

You might have heard of griots, the traditional African storytellers who memorize and pass down oral histories.

0:08.0

But they're much more than just documentarians.

0:11.0

Grios are the living embodiment of memory and culture, keepers of a community's collective identity.

0:18.0

Griot is the English term, and in West Africa, they're known as jellies.

0:22.5

The role is passed down through family lines, generation after generation.

0:27.2

Journalist Elliot Stein explored the tradition of the jellies, tracing it all the way back

0:31.3

to the Mali Empire.

0:32.7

And along the way, he tracked down a modern-day jelly, who was upholding and remixing

0:36.9

the tradition.

0:38.5

And he found him in a pretty unexpected place, working in a convenience store.

0:44.5

I'm Alexa Lim, and this is Atlas Obscira, a celebration of the world's strange, incredible, and wondrous places.

0:50.8

Today I'm talking with Elliot, who's traveled across the world reporting on rare and ancient traditions,

0:56.2

and he talks to the final custodians who are keeping them alive.

0:59.8

He chronicled it all in his book, Custodians of Wonder, ancient customs, profound traditions, and the last people keeping them alive.

1:07.4

Thanks for joining us, Elliot.

1:09.1

Thanks so much for having me.

1:17.6

What sparked your interest in exploring this tradition, this world, more deeply? Yeah, it's a great question. I sort of familiarized myself with a lot of these ancient wonders, and one day, actually one week, I went down a large rabbit hole of all of the UNESCO world

1:29.6

intangible cultural languages. It's kind of the best of what we have is humanity, right? So it's

1:34.4

everything from Argentine tango to Indian yoga, Neapolitan pizza. But there's one tradition

1:41.7

of the 678 that has been kept within a single family, and it's

1:46.1

the only one.

1:47.5

And this is the traditions that I set out to Chronicle, and as you said, it's very, very similar

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