This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones.

Music Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate. How are you?

I'm doing great. We are dipping back into listener slash viewer questions for us. So get ready, because this is targeted at you specifically.

Oh, no.

But I can chime in. No, it's good. So someone says, can I shadow Paul Holes for a week, L.O.L. to which I say, me first, and then it's

open field after that. What is a day like or a week like for you? Well, you know, it just depends on

what I'm involved with. I would say my average week, you know, every day I try to make it to the gym first thing

in the morning. So I wake up, I eat breakfast, I get to the gym. Right now, my workouts are

probably over the top. You know, they're hour and a half to two hours long. Paul, you know,

your hip and your shoulder, your hip in your shoulder.

Yeah.

But you know, as you get older, you got to keep moving, right?

Yeah, I got you.

So then I'll come home.

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