And So, So welcome to the Red Nation podcast. I am joined today by Ursula

Kossuss as well as Professor David Kurea and we're going to be talking about this new book that just

came out through him market press it's called an enemy such as this Larry

Kossuse and the fight for Native liberation in one family on two continents over three centuries.

And by the time this premieres, people should be able to buy this directly from the

Haymarket website. And there's also forward by Melanie Yazzi.

So I guess before we get into the book itself, this book is really about a family's history and we are fortunate enough to be joined by Ursula Kossuse

who is the sister of Larry Kossuse who is is the topic of, who will be the topic of this conversation,

also the, one of the main protagonists in this book.

And I wanted to first just have both of you introduce yourselves.

We'll start with Ursula if you want to just introduce yourself where you're calling from.

I'm Ursula, Kossu Kossu Kuzu Kauru and I'm Ursula Kossus Kureo and I'm in Gallup, New Mexico. I live here in Gallup. I made it my home.

And David?

Yeah, I'm David Korea. And David.

Yeah, I'm David Korea.

I'm a professor at the University of New Mexico.

I live in Albuquerque here.

Well, thanks for joining us.

And before we got started, Ursula was wondering if you could maybe tell us who is Larry

Kossuse or who was Larry Kossuse?

Larry, and I'm speaking for myself, my brother, to me I see him and I always have, being

a little girl when I was 12, he passed away and I was 12 but as a little girl and as now I've always seen him as kind of like a gentle giant

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