The Legal Arguments Behind Mike Pence’s January 6 Grand Jury Testimony
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
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🗓️ 5 July 2023
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
In April, former Vice President Mike Pence testified before a federal grand jury under subpoena as part of the special counsel’s investigation into January 6. The testimony came after the district court rejected Pence’s challenge to the validity of the subpoena under the Speech or Debate Clause of the Constitution. And now, months later, Chief Judge James Boasberg has unsealed his ruling on the matter, along with other documents related to Pence’s challenge.
When news of the subpoena first broke, Lawfare Senior Editors Molly Reynolds and Quinta Jurecic sat down with Mike Stern and Eric Columbus on the Lawfare Podcast to talk through the issues raised. Now that we have more details about just what took place, Molly and Quinta invited Mike and Eric back to discuss what they made of Pence’s argument and the court’s decision, and what this episode adds to our understanding of the Jan. 6 investigation more broadly.
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| 0:29.0 | It's very helpful to get that locked in, |
| 0:37.0 | and under the assumption that Pence is not going to purger himself before a grand jury, |
| 0:43.0 | whereas he might be a little bit more likely to say things in public that are a little precise, shall we say? |
| 0:51.0 | I think without knowing what evidence the special counsel has or what charges are worth. |
| 0:57.0 | What defendants he is intending to pursue, it's hard to know how much Pence is testing to advance the ball, |
| 1:09.0 | but it was obviously a necessary box for him to do an apros here to check in situation. |
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| 1:19.0 | And this is the LawFair podcast, July 5, 2023. |
| 1:25.0 | In April, former Vice President Mike Pence testified before a federal grand jury under SEPINA, |
| 1:33.0 | as part of the special counsel's investigation into January 6. |
| 1:37.0 | The testimony came after the district court rejected Pence's challenge to the validity of the SEPINA, |
| 1:43.0 | under the speech or debate clause of the Constitution. |
| 1:47.0 | And now, months later, Chief Judge James Bowesburg has unsealed his ruling on the matter, |
| 1:53.0 | along with other documents related to Pence's challenge. |
| 1:57.0 | When news of the SEPINA first broke, Molly Reynolds and I sat down with Mike Stern and Eric Columbus on the LawFair podcast |
| 2:05.0 | to talk through the issues raised. |
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