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of Conversations with Coleman. My guest today is Thomas Chatterton Williams. Thomas is a great writer

whose books include Losing My Cool and Self-Portrait

in Black and White, both of which I highly recommend. Thomas and I talk about a host of subjects here,

but we pay special attention to the legacy of the Black Lives Matter movement, and 2020 in particular.

I had a bit of an audio problem on my end during this conversation,

so unfortunately the audio isn't as good.

So apologies there, but the conversation is really worth checking out.

So without further ado, Thomas Chatterton Williams.

Coleman, it's great to see you again.

The last time I saw you, I believe you you came up to my class at Bard College recently.

And it was a really interesting conversation.

Even in a class called Black Heterodox Thinkers, I think that my students were still not quite ready for some of the views you were able to hit them

with, which is really interesting and got me thinking, like, why do you think it's so difficult

for people to intuit heterodoxy in black people? But they would never be surprised that some

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