Hello and I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissing.

And this is the show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our guest today is the author of a left for itself.

David Swift, welcome to Trigonometry.

Hi, lads, thanks for having me on.

It's an absolute pleasure.

Listen, it's a fantastic book.

Thank you so much for sending it to us.

We really enjoyed reading it.

Before we get into it, just tell everybody,

who are you, how are you where you are what has been the

journey that brings you sitting here with a massive backdrop of books behind you so giving you

lots of authority there we've just got a blank canvas behind us which is a accurate

reflection of the state of our minds. Yeah so I'm I suppose I did a PhD a few years ago in history, my old background academically has been history.

And yeah, like a lot of people, a lot of young struggling academics, I'm on the sort of job market and it's not looking great exactly.

You know, there's a real surplus of people with PhDs and not enough jobs to go around.

So my sort of second interest, if you like, was thinking, could I be a sort of more popular writer

you know who wrote sort of academic scholarly books but with a more sort of

popular focus or popular audience anyway and you know, I'm from Liverpool originally,

don't necessarily sound like it that much nowadays actually,

but there we are.

And, you know, it's something that struck me a lot

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