The LeBaron Polygamy Cult—Pt3: “And It Was Revealed, the Power Had Always Been Hers.”

Was I In A Cult?

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🗓️ 24 November 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

She survived a violent polygamist cult.

She survived a husband who collected wives like property.

She survived the blood atonement doctrine that stalked her childhood like a shadow.

But this is the part of Pamela Jones’s story where she does the impossible:

she runs.

In this final chapter of our three-part series, Pamela plans an escape nearly as dangerous as the life she’s leaving behind—nine children in tow, no legal paperwork for half of them, almost no money, and the very real fear that leaving could mean death.

This episode isn’t just about leaving a cult.

It’s about rebuilding an identity from scratch.

It’s about motherhood as revolution.

It’s about reclaiming a life she was told she never owned.

And it’s the story of what Pamela built on the other side—freedom, love, a business, and a legacy that’s inspiring other women to walk out of the same darkness she escaped.

Her transformation is staggering.

Her resilience is unforgettable.

Her ending is exactly what she deserved.

Pamela’s memoir, The Dirt Beneath Our Door, is linked in the show notes.

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0:00.0	The views, information, or opinions expressed by the guest appearing in this episode solely
0:04.4	belong to the guest and do not represent or reflect the views or positions of the hosts,
0:09.4	the show, podcast one, this network, or any of their respective affiliates.
0:16.0	After I left the cult, I had lost everything, lost not only home and everything that I owned,
0:21.6	but I lost all the relationships, all the generational traditions and securities that you inherit through family.
0:29.6	My daughter likes to say, it's like we were out on a cloud.
0:33.6	Not only did we not have a foundation, we were out in thin air. Welcome back to was I in a cult.
0:49.3	He is better.
0:51.3	He is all better.
0:52.3	I still hanging in there, but it's still a little bit raspy, but I'm a little better.
0:56.9	I feel like that's on purpose.
0:58.2	I decided to keep the raspy voice.
1:01.0	The headaches, stuffy nose, fatigue are gone.
1:04.6	Getting hit on way too much.
1:06.0	You're like, okay, okay, I got it.
1:08.4	It's a bedroom voice to match my bedroom eyes.
1:10.6	And Tyler three some, me, some got it. It's a bedroom voice to match my bedroom eyes. And so there are three some-me-sum. And who are you, young lass? I'm Liz Ayacuzzi, okay? Yes, she is. I'm Liz Ayacuzzi. And today, guys, this is part three. It is kind of a sad day. We have to say goodbye to Pamela Jones. That's not rue that we're saying goodbye. Let's embrace that we had her.
1:33.1	She's just fantastic. If you guys haven't listened to parts one and two, obviously go and start there.
1:39.3	Who starts at part three? People read the last page of a book, I guess.
1:43.4	If you watched the last Matrix first,
1:45.4	would you even watch the first Matrix? No. No. So I wonder, maybe there are people that just
1:52.8	skip ahead to this. And for those people, we're going to give a recap. Yeah. Take it away.
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