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What it also allows those people to do is, firstly, to carry out legitimate business during the day.

It's not computer hacking.

It would learn a lot of computer code, do computer hacking.

You can do the legitimate business, computer coding, you can sign games, you can get money in,

which obviously will be useful for the regime.

But you can also, by night, as it were, carry out criminal hacking from the same venue, from the same base.

But also, I think, moving overseas and being in places like China and overseas,

over the borders outside the borders of North Korea, does help those hackers to work out what's going on in the outside world,

the border world.

I mean, I talked earlier on about the grasp that they seem to have of things like the anonymous attacks,

and Sony and the data leaks, and how damaging it would be.

You only really get those kind of insights.

For the most part, if you're outside North Korea's borders, North Korea is so sealed off that to understand the outside world properly,

and on a deep level, a deep enough level to haxy outside world.

It helps if you're in the outside world.

So it made perfect sense to me that those people would pitch up there.

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