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The Lawfare Podcast: Natan Sachs on Israeli Anti-Solutionism

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🗓️ 4 December 2015

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

The show this week features Natan Sachs, a Fellow in Foreign Policy at the Brookings Institution, who recently published an article in Foreign Affairs on anti-solutionism as strategy in the Israel-Palestine conflict.

During his conversation with Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Ben Wittes, Sachs argues that what resembles the absence of a constructive national security agenda is actually better described as a belief on the part of the Israeli right that there are currently no solutions to the challenges Israel faces. Sachs call this policy “strategic conservatism” and explains that it is a philosophy U.S. policymakers need to better understand in order to make smart decisions about the problems in the Middle East.

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no bull and the aftermath.

0:33.1

They look, for example, at the United States, but especially at the left wing in Israel.

0:37.4

And think that the left wing and the Americans have a naive approach to problems in the

0:44.5

world.

0:45.5

And that naive approach, a solutionist approach, believes that every problem has a solution

0:49.8

if you just try hard enough.

0:51.6

And in a sense, it's an extreme pragmatic can-do approach, which is great in the United

0:56.8

States and built this country and did a lot of other great things.

1:00.4

But they would say, and I think there's some value in this point of view, is not true

1:04.3

and fundamentally, when you look at the world, there are many things that don't have a neat

1:08.6

solution, at least not in the foreseeable future.

1:10.9

In a sense, in a Ftali Bennett, I quote him in the article, I likened it to a chronic

1:16.0

medical condition that a friend of his had.

1:18.3

You need to learn to live with chronic conditions and if you force the issue and try to solve

1:25.3

them, you're in fact risking catastrophe.

1:28.1

And so by analogy, they believe there is no solution in the foreseeable future to the

1:32.4

Israeli Palestinian problem.

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