The Lawfare Podcast: Edward Lucas on the Sum of All Cyberphobias
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 11 December 2015
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
We welcome Edward Lucas, a senior editor at the Economist and author of the new book, Cyberphobia: Identity, Trust, Security and the Internet, to the show this week. At the third Hoover Book Soiree a few weeks ago, Lucas shared a drink with Lawfare’s Ben Wittes and discussed the rapid increase in cybercrime, the difficulties of identity verification on the web, and why, even today, we still do not take cybersecurity seriously enough. Lucas paints a bleak picture of our cybersecurity landscape, but closes with a few recommendations for how we can fix it.
It’s a conversation that prompted Ben to digitally betray his country, and the rest of us to grab our dongles and strengthen our passwords.
And it’s the Lawfare Podcast, Episode #150: Edward Lucas on the Sum of All Cyberphobias.
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| 0:29.0 | I think, I mean, first of all, I agree there's been huge benefits. |
| 0:37.0 | And winding the clock back, I'm not sure there's that much I would do differently, |
| 0:41.0 | because the creativity and wealth creation that the internet has brought is a huge public good. |
| 0:45.0 | And I agree with that. |
| 0:47.0 | I don't think it's a small tax. |
| 0:49.0 | The cost of cybercrime made up with what we spend on cyber securities, |
| 0:53.0 | and we have to, all the stuff that's stolen, whether it's a monetary value or non-mountry value, |
| 0:57.0 | or the human misery that results, and the fact that so much money is flowing into the criminal economy, |
| 1:03.0 | is really serious. The worst people in the world are making, you know, |
| 1:07.0 | it may only be a hundred billion, maybe the high end of several hundred billion. |
| 1:11.0 | This is huge amounts of money is flowing into the criminal economy, |
| 1:15.0 | and it doesn't stay there. It then gets recycled. |
| 1:17.0 | It develops the criminal economy. |
| 1:19.0 | One of the things that worries me is that the speed of development in the criminal economy |
| 1:23.0 | is faster than the speed of development in what you might call the protection economy. |
| 1:27.0 | I think the bad guys are getting better at what they do faster than we do. |
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