This is exactly right.

If you're looking for your next true crime podcast obsession, truer crime is it.

Host Salicia Stanton goes deeper than the headlines and pulls back the curtain not just on what happened, but why, how it was handled and who got left behind?

Every month brings a new case. They balance well-known cases like the Menendez brothers with stories

you've never heard of, like the talk radio host who was gunned down in his driveway.

There's always a twist, always a surprise, and always something deeper beneath the surface.

True or Crime is airing now. Follow True Crime wherever you get your podcasts and catch new episodes

every week.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson. I'm a journalist who spent the last 25 years writing about true

crime. And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator who's worked some of America's most

complicated cases and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved, and some are cold, very cold.

This is Buried Bones.

Music is buried bones. Hey, Kate, how are you today?

I'm doing great, Paul. How about you?

I am hanging in there. What's going on?

Well, my family and I do a big vacation every year. I make them go to places where I either am writing a book currently or want to write a book about. And so they have a little

choice, unfortunately. And I would say a few months ago, we went to Cape Cod. Have you been to Cape Cod before?

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