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the CBS I and the world. I'm John Bachelor. My conversation with Sean McMeken,

Professor of Bard College, author of the new book Stalin's war. This is a tour of the familiar territory 1939 to 1948.

From the point of view of Moscow, there are, however, puzzles. One of the puzzles we've bypassed, but I want to come back

because it's not all on FDR telling himself this will work out. It's also Winston Churchill.

Sean, who are the Chetniks?

Who is McCullovich? What does Churchill make of the

presentation he's given by the BBC and other checkest agents in London

that he should side with the wrong people in Yugoslavia.

Well, I do think Churchill at times during the war would put up at least a little bit more fight

than Roosevelt did on some questions and strategy but not in Yugoslavia.

I mean this is definitely a good one to single out where I think Churchill really was hoodwinked. Now I mean to be fair to Churchill there was some

evidence and some of it was uncovered by British intelligence the so-called

Enigma decrypts that Mikhailovich who was this officer in the former Yugoslav Army, who was the

legity of the Yugoslav government in exile in London, who led to Chechnix, this kind of group of rebels who took to the hills and tried to resist

the Nazis after the Germans invaded Yugoslavia in April 1941.

Now Mikhailovich, like his kind of counterpart on the left, Brows or Tito, who was of course answering to Stalin,

at times during the war, it would have to negotiate various kind of deals with either the Italian occupying

authorities or even once or twice with Serbs or indirectly with the Germans.

There were sometimes prisoner exchanges, weapons, and you can very easily weaponize

this information politically in order to smear someone as a

collaborator and that becomes the official communist line on Mikhailovich is that

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