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In last week's episode, we talked about hard evidence. The evidence of CCTV footage that

should in theory be neutral. But if you haven't figured it out yet, evidence is rarely neutral.

Even simple data is rarely neutral. How and why it's collected, who collects it, and who has

access to it, all impacts what that evidence ends up looking like. And what it ends up telling us

depends on who is offering the evidence. In this case, that who is the BPD? So to understand so

much of what happened to Freddie Gray and others like him, we have to understand the Baltimore City

Police Department and its leadership. Hi and welcome to Undisclosed, the killing of Freddie Gray.

My name is Robbie Chaudhary and I'm here with my colleagues, Justine Barron,

Amelia McDonald Perry and Dr. Marsha Chatlin. My name is Amelia McDonald Perry and I'm a former

blog editor and a journalist for Rollingstone.com and Crime Feed. I'm Marsha Chatlin. I'm an associate

professor of history and African American studies at Georgetown University and I'm also an

Eric and Wendy Schmidt Fellow at the New America Foundation. My name is Justine Barron. I'm a

screenwriter, researcher and columnist at the Jewish Journal.

Who's working in the department? Nobody really. Why me we're a little busy doing street ribs,

you know, community policing and all that. In this scene from the pilot episode of The Wire,

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