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I'm D Watkins. Here with the killing of Freddie Gray. Today I'll be joined by a wonderful panel of

truly talented people starting with my co-host, Amelia McDonald Perry. Amelia is a writer, reporter,

and editor with over 15 years of experience in media. We also will be joined by Simone Brown,

an associate professor in the Department of African-American diaspora studies at University of

Texas at Austin. She teaches and researches surveillance studies and black diaspora studies.

We'll also be joined by Dr. Wendy Osofow, influential voice in politics, social justice and education.

Dr. Osofow was a highly sought after political commentator, a professor of education at Johns

Hackney University and a founder and CEO of the 1954 equity project LLC. Hey, guys, how you doing?

Hey, how are you? I just want to do the best at making sure every perspective is heard.

But the episode in the script and without listeners are going to be thinking about when they listen to

this episode is to overwhelm me in the amount of evidence that was there. As a citizen, I just

I feel like we could have had HD film of their fat police officer putting his knee into Freddie's

back and it still wouldn't be good enough. You studied this Simone. I feel like we should start

with you before we swing it to Amelia who also done the FAM out of research on this and then go

to Wendy if that's cool. It was disturbing to watch those videos that accompanied the podcast

because it was all there and the videos seemed to jump cut and tell a particular truth for the

officers and not for Freddie Gray and the witnesses that were there. And so the thing about these

videos is that even if we have them if they're from police cameras or if they're from CCTV cameras

that are hooked up to a wall close to someone's home is that it still doesn't change the idea that

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