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Join Audible today by downloading the Audible app. It's a very strong. It's so much. It's a lot. How are you doing tonight, Aaron?

I'm good, Justin. How are you feeling today?

I'm doing all right.

We're going to be covering a big case tonight,

one that I've heard the rumblings about and I've seen it on a lot of the true crime channels,

but never really knew all the details about this case. And this is one of those cases where

you can go down so many rabbit holes and it might

sound pretty basic on its surface but oh my gosh I went down too many rabbit holes about this

family and everyone involved and it just really occupied a lot of my time for the last week. Yeah, and for me, it really is

something I wanted to cover because the question is, how did this happen? Why did this happen? And I think

that comes up because of who ends up in hot water over it. Sometimes it's not the person you expect

is being held accountable. Or you wonder if this is

everything. Before we get into that, Aaron, we have some announcements. I always try to plug this other show

I'm doing. It's called WTAF was my childhood. It's a fun, more lighthearted show about growing up as Gen X or an

elder millennial and how things were during your childhood and how much things have changed

since then. It should be everywhere. You can find a podcast.

So WTAF was my childhood.

It has a little bear smoking a cigarette as the logo.

And I wish I had started with this, Justin, but we have some people who probably tell us that they skip through this part of the show because they're like, oh, they're just plugging stuff.

I want to get to the content.

We try to make this as quick as possible. So we understand your motivations, but we do tell you for a good reason in case you want to know about it, which you might. Also, we're going to be

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