This is an I-Heart podcast.

What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.

Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?

Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.

From prologue projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi.

What difference at this point does it make?

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Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show at IHeart Radio.

My guest today is Josh Holmes.

Josh is a partner at Cavalry LLC and co-host of The Ruthless Podcast.

So nice to have you on, Josh.

Oh, it's great.

Thank you for having me.

I love your show.

I love your Twitter feed. I've been a huge fan of yours for many

years and I'm really excited to learn more about you. I don't feel like I know a lot about your

background or about how you got into this, you know, thing of ours. So how did it start for you?

How did you get into politics? Well, the feeling is mutual. Obviously, mutual obviously been an admirer of your work a lot

over the years um yeah it's a roundabout a way of getting here for me um i grew up in minnesota and had uh

you know the time of my life it's sort of an ideal upbringing in a lot of different ways.

But when it was time for college and, like, professional, you know, imaginment at some level,

like what is that you do?

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