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Political Thinking with Nick Robinson

The Josh Babarinde One

Political Thinking with Nick Robinson

BBC

Politics, News

4.62.5K Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

The Lib Dem Justice Spokesperson managed to persuade ministers to change domestic abuse law within a year of being elected to parliament.

Josh Babarinde tells Nick how his own childhood experience spurred him on to push for reform.

He also explains how a beer mat persuaded him to join the Liberal Democrats.

Producer: Daniel Kraemer

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts.

0:05.3

Hello and welcome to political thinking.

0:07.7

When criminals were released early from prison,

0:11.0

because there simply weren't enough cells to house all those who've been sentenced,

0:15.5

it was victims of domestic violence,

0:17.9

who were amongst the most alarmed and fearful.

0:23.0

Ministers said that they didn't want to release domestic abusers, but since there is no crime of domestic abuse, it was impossible to

0:29.4

identify all domestic abusers in order to keep them all locked up. My guest on political thinking

0:36.8

this week is trying to change that.

0:39.5

He spoke movingly in the House of Commons, his abuse, he and his mother faced from her ex-partner.

0:46.3

And despite the fact he's been an MP for less than a year and is a Liberal Democrat,

0:52.1

he's persuaded Labour ministers to back his campaign. He is Josh

0:56.7

Baburinde, the first black Liberal Democrats MP, the party's justice spokesperson who's already,

1:04.4

he might not welcome this, being tipped to be a future party leader. Josh Barbarandi,

1:09.7

welcome to political things. Thanks for having me, Nick.

1:12.5

I watched you speak in the House of Commons,

1:16.2

and you quoted a speech that you'd heard in the House of Commons long before you became an MP.

1:21.9

A speech, is it fair to say, that changed your life and may end up contributing to changing the law of this country?

1:27.8

It was thoroughly moving. Michelle Thompson, then SMP, MP for Edinburgh West.

1:34.6

And yes, she got up in the winter of 2016 and spoke about her experience of being a survivor

1:42.5

of rape. And she said in her speech, I am not a victim.

1:47.7

I am a survivor.

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