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THE JOHNSTOWN MOB: 3/4: Smalltime: A Story of My Family and the Mob. by Russell Shorto (Author)

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🗓️ 23 July 2023

⏱️ 10 minutes

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THE JOHNSTOWN MOB: 3/4: Smalltime: A Story of My Family and the Mob. by Russell Shorto (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Smalltime-Story-My-Family-Mob/dp/0393245586/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Family secrets emerge as a best-selling author dives into the history of the mob in small-town America.


The best-selling author Russell Shorto, praised for his incisive works of narrative history, never thought to write about his own past. He grew up knowing his grandfather and namesake was a small-town mob boss but maintained an unspoken family vow of silence. Then an elderly relative prodded: You’re a writer―what are you gonna do about the story?


Smalltime is a mob story straight out of central casting―but with a difference, for the small-town mob, which stretched from Schenectady to Fresno, is a mostly unknown world. The location is the brawny postwar factory town of Johnstown, Pennsylvania. The setting is City Cigar, a storefront next to City Hall, behind which Russ and his brother-in-law, “Little Joe,” operate a gambling empire and effectively run the town.


Smalltime is a riveting American immigrant story that travels back to Risorgimento Sicily, to the ancient, dusty, hill-town home of Antonino Sciotto, the author’s great-grandfather, who leaves his wife and children in grinding poverty for a new life―and wife―in a Pennsylvania mining town. It’s a tale of Italian Americans living in squalor and prejudice, and of the rise of Russ, who, like thousands of other young men, created a copy of the American establishment that excluded him. Smalltimedraws an intimate portrait of a mobster and his wife, sudden riches, and the toll a lawless life takes on one family.

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0:00.0

I'm John Bachelors, this is the new John Bachelors show Russell Chorto.

0:13.6

His new book is Small Time, a story of my family and the mob.

0:17.0

It's also a story of Americana from migration to enterprise to criminality to transforming

0:25.9

the landscape to memory.

0:28.0

That's where we are in the 21st century.

0:30.2

It is now the late 1930s.

0:33.0

Millie and Joe are together after Joe does a time in bars, Millie goes, takes him home

0:41.0

to Johnstown.

0:42.0

She doesn't like Philadelphia.

0:43.4

It's too big.

0:44.4

It's too noisy.

0:45.4

Joe is now partnering with Russell and their partnership will be extremely successful.

0:53.6

Russell, I want to understand these partnerships.

0:55.9

They were never independent agents.

0:58.4

It seemed that they were always connected to larger and larger versions of themselves.

1:03.7

So Joe, Regina and Russell Chorto, they will find an enterprise called city cigar, but

1:11.4

they don't do that independent of larger organized crime.

1:17.1

Do they relate to Philadelphia or Pittsburgh at this point?

1:20.2

How is Johnstown connected to the web of organized crime?

1:25.7

Yeah.

1:26.7

Johnstown was connected to Pittsburgh and then Pittsburgh was connected to New York.

1:30.7

That's the way you talked about, you mentioned the structure of it.

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