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And we now have Nathan Hockman here. He's running for

LA County DA against George Gascon. And you're going to beat George Gascon, right?

Yeah. So, yeah, we're, the whole world is counting on you here, not to put any pressure.

Well, I appreciate that. Thank you very much for having me on your show.

Thanks for coming on. I went to your event, as you know, last week, and I was really struck by how the way you were presenting yourself, that you just, you don't want to do anything radical

by historic standards here in L.A. You just want to go back to the policies we had

as recently as, you know, even 10 years ago. Absolutely. I mean, it's, what I say is I reject

extreme blanket policies. George Gascon has adopted what he calls decarceration policies.

Those are policies that let violent and serious offenders

out before they serve their full sentences and don't have them prosecuted to the full extent of the law

on the front end. But I also reject extreme mass incarceration policies. They also didn't work.

Where I come down is the middle, and I call it the hard middle, because it doesn't allow you to rely on lazy blanket policies, but you have to look at each individual case.

The defendant's background, the crime committed, the impact on the victim to determine who the true threats are to our public safety and need to be behind bars, and quite candidly, the ones that aren't.

Your first-time nonviolent offenders still has to be behind bars, and quite candidly, the ones that aren't. Your first time nonviolent

offenders still has to be held accountable and pay their debt to society if they violate

society's laws, a community service, restitution, if they stole something, make them pay it back,

or a diversion program if they have a mental illness or a drug addiction may very well be the

appropriate punishment. So you want to balance the approach, which is what we had for many years?

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