Hello and welcome to The Spectator podcast. I'm Lara Prendergast and on this week's episode

we'll be reflecting on the tragic events in Manchester and what can be done to prevent similar

attacks in the future. We'll also be looking at the emergence of political courts in America,

Russia, France and beyond and we'll be tipping which constituencies

to have a flutter on in next month's election. Even after all these years, all these attacks,

and all these dead, the West still keeps asking the same question after events like those of

Monday night, who would do such a thing? But as Douglas Murray says in this week's issue of The

Spectator, terrorists are very clear about what they want. We just aren't listening.

I'm now joined by Douglas, whose new book The Strange Death of Europe, Immigration, Identity and Islam has just been published,

and Harass Rafiq, CEO of Quilliam.

So Douglas, what drives someone to go into a crowd of young girls and detonator bomb?

An ideology, an ideology which in his mind would have explained everything,

the meaning of life, the meaning of death, God, the universe, everything.

And this, as I say in the piece, is one of the most, if not the most profound meeting points in

our time, because somebody who believes in those things, and with his views, meets a group of

young women out for a night hearing a pop singer. And the salient point, is it where I want to bring across in the piece

is people like the Manchester Bomber say what they think all the time. The people who inspire them

say what they think all the time, what they think about women, what they think about Muslims who

don't agree with them, what they think about people who aren't Muslims.

They say it all the time.

But we keep asking this question,

who would do such a thing,

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