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The Intended Consequences of a Government Shutdown

Velshi

MS NOW, Ali Velshi

Politics, News, Versant Media, Weekend News, News Commentary, Ms Now, Ali Velshi, Versant, Government

4.7793 Ratings

🗓️ 5 October 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Ali Velshi is joined by syndicated talk radio host Thom Hartmann, Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), Vox Senior Correspondent Ian Millhiser

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0:00.0

Good morning. It is Sunday, October the 5th. I'm Alec Valsy, and I want to begin this hour with a little time capsule.

0:13.0

It's May of 2023. Joe Biden was the president of the United States. Donald Trump was out of power.

0:19.0

Trump's indictment on 34 felony counts of falsifying

0:22.0

business records in the Stormy Daniels hush money cover-up scheme had just been unsealed a month

0:27.1

earlier. But Trump and many others in his orbit were already plotting his comeback to the White House.

0:32.5

One man in particular was busy drawing up extremely specific plans for a second Trump presidency.

0:38.6

That man and his team were literally writing out executive orders and legal memos to justify

0:43.5

some of those plans, some of which were based on shaky legal foundations.

0:48.4

That man, let's call him Russell, was working up a blueprint for deploying the American

0:53.0

military against American protesters,

0:55.6

defunding major government agencies and specifically targeting civil servants as part of a

1:00.2

slash and burn plan to dismantle the government.

1:04.1

We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected.

1:08.3

We want when they woke up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work

1:11.7

because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want to put them in trauma.

1:20.0

Russell Vote, the architect of Project 2025, and now the director of Donald Trump's Office of

1:25.7

Management and Budget. Those remarks you just heard were

1:28.2

delivered in May of 2023 at an invite-only annual gathering of his organization called the Center

1:34.9

for Renewing America. He was laying out a goal for a second Trump term to defund and destroy

1:41.6

the federal workforce. At the time and throughout his campaign, Donald Trump

1:45.9

pretended he didn't know Project 2025 and he had nothing to do with it. Now he openly brags that

1:51.3

vote. He of Project 2025 fame, as Trump called him this week, is deciding who gets fired.

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