Welcome back to You Can't Make This Up, a companion podcast from Netflix.

I'm Ray Vada, your host for this week's episode.

Here on You Can't Make This Up, we go behind the scenes of Netflix original true crime series and films with special guests.

This week, we're diving into the innocent man.

This six-part docuaries follows the life of Ron Williamson, who sat on Oklahoma's death row for 11 years for a crime he didn't commit.

It's based on John Grisham's best-selling true crime book of the same name.

We brought in true crime authors, podcasters, and real life married couple, Rebecca

Laveoy and Kevin Flynn to interview the series director, Play Twel.

And now, here's Rebecca, Kevin, and Play.

I'm Rebecca Lervoy. And I'm Kevin Flynn.

And we are true crime authors and the hosts of Crime Writers On,

Podcast, and these are their stories, the Law and Order Podcast.

We're here with Clay Twiel, the director of the Innocent Man, which we're just going to say

it's so, so good.

Clay, thanks for joining us. Oh, thanks for joining us.

Oh, thanks for having me.

I got to say that Rebecca and I looked at each other and we said,

what are we going to do if this sucks?

And we have to talk to Clay.

But this does not suck. This is a really good tight six episode documentary.

Congratulations.

Oh, thank you. Yeah, we tried to keep it tight. We were, you know, we're basing a lot of it off of a John Grisham novel so trying to keep it in the vein of the

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