Welcome to You Can't Make This Up, a companion podcast from Netflix.

I'm Ray Vada and I'm hosting this week's episode.

Here on You Can't Make This Up, we go behind the scenes of Netflix original true crime stories

with special guests.

This week we're getting into the Ted Bundy tapes.

This four-part darkie series follows the crimes of one of America's most notorious killers, Ted Bundy.

From 1974 to 1978, Bundy committed a multitude of crimes,

including murdering over 30 women in seven states.

The series is based on the book of the same name, written by journalist and author Stephen Eichow.

Stephen recorded over 100 hours of his interviews with Ted Bundy, which the series features heavily.

While previously you could read transcripts of the interviews in Stephen's book, this is the first time we're able to hear them and listen to Ted Bundy in his own words.

We brought in journalist Taylor Crumpton, who has written about Ted Bundy for Teen Vogue, and cover social justice in publications like Paper Mag and Glamour.

So let's get to that interview.

Stephen, thank you so much for talking to me this morning. How are you?

I'm just fine. We're getting ready to get frozen to death here, but right now it's just great.

Oh no, that's terrible. So for listeners who don't know you

could you briefly explain your connection to the docuaries? I'm Stephen

Micho and back in the early 1980s I conducted a series of journalistic interviews

with Ted Bundy at the Florida State Prison

over a period of about six months

and those conversations

became the basis of the docu series conversations with the killer.

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