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Hey, Shore Waver is Regina Barber here with one of the co-host of NPR's Daily Economics Podcast, the Indicator from Planet Money, Darian Woods.

Hey, Darian. Hey, Gina.

Okay, so we brought you on because of some labor reporting you've been doing. Yeah, this is a

regular installment at the indicator. We look at how many jobs the U.S. economy has added.

Okay. The latest numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show us that it was 177,000 jobs in April,

which is a pretty healthy number.

But the important thing for you and shortwave listeners is that recently co-host Adrienne Ma and I

zoomed in specifically on scientists in the U.S.

Right, like all of the federal spending cuts that have been like changing the landscape

for people who like do the science that we discuss on shortwave day in and day out.

Yeah, the frozen NIH funding and government layoffs are pushing some scientists abroad.

Yeah, I remember reading like 75% of respondents to this nature poll back in March have considered leaving the United States.

And some of those people are putting their money where their mouths are?

I actually know some researchers who are applying abroad.

Okay, well, they might make up some of the next statistic, which is that the jobs website, Nature Careers, saw a 32% increase in U.S.-based

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