I was trying to make a decision whether to go on the run or stay and face this and I put

that question to my spiritual teacher and you know he advised me that I should stay

and face it and that I wouldn't really be able to continue as a student if I was living

life on the run but even if I had to do serious prison time I could continue as a practitioner

as a student and I mean I was terrified of going to prison but also not really thrilled

about the idea of being on the run I actually had very little financial resources at that

time the way things worked out and in fact I was working selling cars for living to support

my family so it was kind of a relief and it was really the first time I ever took anybody's

advice and before that if you want me to just tell me the opposite you know I did take

that advice and I turned myself in and as tough as that journey was I've really never regretted

it.

Welcome to the Mark Devine show this is your host Mark Devine.

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I'm excited today to talk to Dr. Fleet Maul a fascinating guy he's a ordained Zen monk

and also a Tibetan Buddhist monk and he's developed programs around them that he teaches

through Heart Mine Institute which is Heart Mine CEO he's written an incredible book called

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