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The Immigrant Apple and The Hard Cider Comeback

Outside/In

NHPR

Society & Culture, Documentary, Natural Sciences, Nature, Science

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2022

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Forget about beer, or even water; it was hard apple cider that was THE drink of choice in colonial America. Even kids drank it! And since it’s made from apples – the “all-American” fruit – what could be more American than cider? But apples aren’t native to America. They’re originally from Kazakhstan. In this episode we look at the immigration story of Malus domestica, the domesticated apple, from its roots in the wild forests of Central Asia, to its current status as an American icon. And we look at how apples and cider were used in some of America’s biggest migrations – from Indigenous tribes who first brought apples west across the continent, to the new immigrants who are using hard cider to bridge cultures and find belonging.   Featuring Soham Bhatt and Susan Sleeper-Smith. Special thanks to everyone Felix spoke to at the Cider Days Festival, including Ben Watson, Charlie Olchowski, and Bob Sabolefski.   LINKS How to Make Hard Cider George and Ursula Granger: The Erasure of Enslaved Black Cidermakers, by Darlene Hayes. An Apple Commons: reflections by cidermaker Melissa Maddens on what it means to forage from wild apple orchards – relics of this country’s history of dispossessing Indigenous people of their lands.   SUPPORT Outside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In.  Subscribe to our free newsletter. Follow Outside/In on Instagram and Twitter. Join our private podcast discussion group on Facebook.   CREDITS Produced and mixed by Felix Poon Edited by: Taylor Quimby Executive producer: Rebecca Lavoie Additional editing: Justine Paradis, Jessica Hunt,  and Rebecca Lavoie Theme: Breakmaster Cylinder Additional music by Jharee, Kevin MacLeod  and Blue Dot Sessions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

heads up there's a curse word in this episode it's towards the beginning of the

0:03.6

show okay here we go let's pop this bottle open this is outside in a show about

0:12.4

the natural world and how we use it I'm justine paradise and the other day

0:16.8

producer Felix Poon and I got into our studio closets at a very cool 10 in the

0:22.3

morning to start the work day with an invigorating glass of hard cider cheers

0:28.3

cheers no that's really dry I like that yeah mine's really dry too this one

0:34.3

it's kind of has a this sort of floral edge to it that doesn't taste exactly

0:38.5

like the fruit I don't know how to describe it yeah I mean I would say mine

0:42.5

tastes like a rosé but yeah with just a really subtle hint of apple both of

0:49.0

our cider bottles are not like cider cans or like six packs they're like wine

0:53.6

bottles you know well in a lot of ways cider is closer to wine than it is to

0:59.1

beer yeah it makes sense it's fermented from fruit to rather than grains like

1:03.8

beer yeah also the taste of cider has a lot to do with where it's made like

1:09.1

cider has terroir which is this French term that most people associate with wine

1:13.8

justine how would you define terroir yeah it's like the flavor of a place

1:19.9

coming through in the product so the limestone of burgundy you know

1:26.3

appearing in wine or something placiness placiness yes the combination of the

1:31.6

soil and topography and the climate all those things that go into the

1:36.8

unique flavor of the wine but it's really the unique flavor that goes into the

1:42.2

fruit that makes the wine so you don't even need to be talking about booze

1:46.7

necessarily to understand the idea like I spoke to a cider maker named Sohan

1:51.7

bot and so I'm says he first really understood terroir with another fruit

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