The History of Being Sick with Susan Wise Bauer, M.DIV, PhD
The Nocturnists
Emily Silverman
4.8 • 614 Ratings
🗓️ 28 May 2026
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Summary
Historian Susan Wise Bauer tells the story of how, across centuries—from ancient civilizations to modern medicine—humans have tried to make sense of illness through evolving frameworks, from divine punishment to bodily imbalance to germs. Drawing on historical accounts and cultural analysis, she explores how fear, suffering, and uncertainty shape not only medical knowledge but also trust in authority and social behaviors—and ultimately shows that our present-day struggles with medicine and trust are not new, but part of a long, repeating human story.
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| 0:00.0 | This episode of The Nocturness is sponsored by Claimable. |
| 0:04.0 | Every year, insurers deny over 850 million claims in the United States. Fewer than 1% are ever appealed. |
| 0:12.2 | Claimable exists to change that, with an online platform that helps patients overturn unjust |
| 0:17.3 | denials and restore access to the care they need. With claimables easy-to-use appeal |
| 0:22.5 | builder, patients create and submit personalized, expert-backed appeals, combining clinical, policy, |
| 0:28.7 | and legal evidence into powerful coverage arguments. If you or someone you know has ever lost |
| 0:34.1 | access to a medication because of an insurance denial, Claimable was built for that |
| 0:38.5 | moment. To learn more and explore how Claimable works with partners in healthcare to expand access, |
| 0:44.2 | visit getclaimable.com. At the nocturnous, we are careful to ensure that all stories comply |
| 0:50.2 | with health care privacy laws. Details may have been changed to ensure patient confidentiality. |
| 0:55.0 | All views expressed are those of the person speaking and not their employer. |
| 1:03.0 | This is the nocturness and I'm Emily Silverman. |
| 1:06.0 | When we get sick, we don't just experience symptoms. |
| 1:10.0 | We reach for stories. |
| 1:11.6 | We search for causes, meaning, someone to trust, and someone to blame. |
| 1:17.6 | Today's guest is Susan Wisebauer, a historian, writer, and educator, |
| 1:23.6 | whose work spans world history, science, literature, and culture. |
| 1:29.4 | Her latest book, The Great Shadow, traces the history of illness across human civilization, |
| 1:35.9 | asking not only how disease-shaped societies, but what it actually felt like to be sick |
| 1:42.0 | in different eras of history. |
| 1:51.5 | In our conversation, Susan and I talk about plague and pandemics, ancient theories of balance, |
| 1:57.4 | the rise of germ theory, wellness culture, and the long repeating dance between suffering and authority. We also talk about why today's crisis of trust in medicine may be less unprecedented than it seems. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did, but first take a listen to Susan, reading an excerpt from one of her books. |
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