if we spend our lives trying to get control over ourselves or over others or over our experience or over our world,

then we're going to end up like giving a lot of allegiance to whoever or whatever has put us in that position of control.

We end up worshipping whomever or whatever has put us there.

Music end up worshipping whomever or whatever is put as there. Welcome back. I'm with the brilliant Dr. Warren Kinghorn. He's a psychiatrist and the

ologian at Duke University. He brings faith and mental health together in a perfect way

for our emotional health series. We are going to unpack what it really means to thrive in life,

and no, it's not all rainbows and sunshine all the time. We're going to talk about the one thing

that we all deal with, but we almost never talk about, and how the church can do a better job supporting our

emotional health.

It's honest.

It's insightful.

It's full of hope.

He is absolutely brilliant.

I think you're going to love it.

Without further ado, here's Dr. Warren Kinghorn.

I am so excited to have you on the show.

Tell me first, what does human

flourishing really mean to you? And how does it differ from just being happy or successful?

Yeah. First of all, thanks for having me on the show. I'm really grateful. Well, I mean, human

flourishing is a complex term because we often think that to flourish just means to have a good mood or to be happy or for everything to be working out well with us.

But flourishing is more than that because we can flourish even when things are in some ways not going well or when we're facing challenges.

Like in our world, when we talk about mental health, it's kind of hard because sometimes even mental health clinicians don't really know what we mean by mental health.

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