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🗓️ 1 December 2025
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Universities were not always so vulnerable to the whims of politics. The whole system of taxpayer-funded, university-led scientific research came about at the end of World War II, and was the brainchild of a man named Vannevar Bush. He felt the partnership of government and academics had to be equal in order to yield breakthroughs. Today, the Trump administration is proposing a new “compact” that would make the President the dominant partner. We speak with one of the authors of the Trump compact, May Mailman.
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| 0:24.2 | Over the last couple of weeks, we've been bringing you a series that looks at the Trump |
| 0:27.8 | administration's attempt to change universities. |
| 0:31.3 | The series is called The Harvard Plan. |
| 0:33.1 | It's produced by WN.N.Y.C. in the Boston Globe. |
| 0:36.1 | In episode one, we met three professors at Harvard who each have a very different take |
| 0:41.3 | on how their employer should meet this moment. |
| 0:44.5 | Ryan Enos, political science professor, wants Harvard to push back against the administration. |
| 0:49.4 | We are waiting on you, Harvard. |
| 0:51.6 | When will you speak up? |
| 0:53.1 | If you don't speak up, who will? Cancer researcher Camilla Naxerova, Harvard. When will you speak up? If you don't speak up, who will? |
| 0:55.8 | Cancer researcher Camilla Naxerova wants Harvard to make a deal, to save her grant funding. |
| 1:01.9 | So I definitely want a deal. I think that what we do here is extremely valuable, and the |
| 1:07.0 | reality is that without a deal, it's dead. And engineering professor, Kit Parker, asked why they couldn't all just get along. |
| 1:14.6 | Parker's a Trump supporter. |
| 1:16.2 | When you go talk to him, immediately. |
| 1:17.5 | If he talks to Putin and Kim here, talk to us. |
| 1:19.6 | They're all professors, bystanders in a fight that no one really expected. |
| 1:24.7 | And what's at stake isn't just their careers, but billions of dollars in science |
| 1:29.6 | funding and America's standing in the world. But these professors aren't the decision makers. |
| 1:36.4 | What do you do if you are the leader of a university? And what do you do if you're in the White |
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